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Posted: 07 June 2010 at 12:20 | IP Logged Quote╩the met

Thats a very fair response Colgrin but I went to a 'city meeting' the other day and was told that Peterborough Cathedral attracts more visitors than Alton Towers!! - honestly!!

But,and I think this is where many people make a mistake is that we try to compare Peterborough with the 'major' cities across the UK.

We have to realise and understand our place in the 'city food chain' as it were.

We can't compare Peterborough with Newcastle - likewise, try comparing Sunderland to Newcastle - theres are no notable concert venues/arenas in Sunderland and thats just a few miles down the road from Newcastle

The council in Newcastle may have a far bigger budget to spend on its infrastructure simply because of its size.

Its like saying to build a 10,000 seater concert arena costs ú10m - Newcastle gets this 'grant' as it has a population of 500,000. On the same population ratio we'ed get ú3m - this will build a 3000 capacity arena BUT obviously a 3000 cap arena will not attract the same acts as a 10,000 cap arena so we'ed be moaning agian that the 'big names' dont come to Peterborough.

We have to compare like for like - cities/towns around the UK with similar populations to Peterborough - such as Cambridge / Northampton / Colchester / Chelmsford.



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Posted: 07 June 2010 at 12:37 | IP Logged Quote╩Colgrin

I wasnĺt necessarily comparing Peterborough and Newcastle, quite obviously they can never be properly compared, Newcastle is larger and more wealthier. I mentioned Gateshead, and its self-promotion trying to push itself as a rival to Newcastle, a contest it can never win, but then maybe thatĺs not itĺs primary aim.

Iĺm really talking about foresight and commitment. Taking what the city has to offer and running with it. It seems that other cities have it, and Peterborough doesnĺt.


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Posted: 07 June 2010 at 22:23 | IP Logged Quote╩Elsie

I would love for good touring musicians and bands to want to come here, and for emerging local bands to get more opportunities to play in centre locations. But as for getting a large concert venue - most people I know are quite happy to go out of town if they're treating themselves to tickets to see a big music star. Big name concerts are a different issue. What I want to see is a healthy atmosphere for promoting the cultural environment actually in the town. Ideally (in my dreams) a medium concert hall, plus a choice of small live venues, including arts centres with more specialised and acoustic acts. There is a potential for a thriving cultural and artistic side to our city, and it is not at all unreasonable to want the council to take some positive measures to encourage it. I'm no expert in local politics, but I would have thought subsidies to help with rates/parking; brightening up Broadway and areas off Bridge Street and the Square; maybe some advertising boards and better information/ticket facilities - it shouldn't be that difficult to improve the future appeal of music and arts venues, as opposed to just letting the pub chains and discos take over completely.

I know we're in the minority for thinking that live music is important, but it may not always be that way. I have been to 2 excellent school music shows lately. They all have access to high quality music tuition, including drumming. They all love music and might want to spend evenings up town in a couple of years. Or then again they might just leave!
 

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Posted: 08 June 2010 at 09:46 | IP Logged Quote╩iangillis

one very, very big factor that no-one appears to have touched upon that's missing in this city yet present in almost every other major city of Pboro's size and above is decent accessibility. Public transport out of the city centre ceases to exist at 11.15pm, including weekends, on all routes, and always has done as far as I can remember.  As the arteries that carry the lifeblood of all city centres, bus routes are  very, very important, and as such play a big factor in determining when a city centre 'closes' in most peoples minds, in Pboro's case, everyone's conditioned to thinking 11.15pm.

Just looking at Cambridge's services (run by the same operator as serves here)) and the equivalent main Citi routes are running up to 2am on weekends.

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Posted: 08 June 2010 at 12:46 | IP Logged Quote╩Colgrin

That's a very good point.

The transport system in Peterborough is a very sick joke, and I'm not talking about late running times.

My other half uses a car to take our kids to nursery and to go to work, it takes her about 1/2 hour.

The same journey by bus would take over 2 hours.

In fact I'd go one further; in Germany a similar sized city would have an U-bahn/S-bahn system. In Munich the last train to my stop from the city centre was about 1am. The system closes at around 2 and re-opens at 5. It's cheap, reliable and oh so dependable.

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Certainly is a good point Mr Gillis

I'm going to make some enquiries with the powers that be in the Town Hall as to why this situation happens. However,do you know how far they actually go out of the Cambridge City Centre?



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I'd feel for the local cabies if bus times were extended to say 2 or 3 am. They do a great job. At least the buses won't smell of vomit every day. Better to keep it that way, don't you think?

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Posted: 08 June 2010 at 13:47 | IP Logged Quote╩Petemac

Let's not forget what Uncle Dave said yesterday. We'll be lucky to have any services at all soon. Spending money on coucil run music venues is gonna be a big no no. 

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so in context of the thread, if you live anywhere other than Bretton and rely on the buses, then catching a show at the Cresset is logistically a nightmare.... especially if you have to changeover at queensgate to get where you're going... a two hour show starting at 8 means you get home at 11.45 earliest, nearly two hours after the show finished, Ridiculous.
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Posted: 08 June 2010 at 14:01 | IP Logged Quote╩iangillis

the met wrote:

Certainly is a good point Mr Gillis

I'm going to make some enquiries with the powers that be in the Town Hall as to why this situation happens. However,do you know how far they actually go out of the Cambridge City Centre?

quite far...
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4463639E-ED12- 4ED5-AA20-8D364A02D632/0/CambridgeColCodedMap.pdf

the missus used to live in Oakington, a village comparitvely as far and minimally served road-wise from Cambridge as Stilton is from Boro, and she can't believe the difference... a decent night out could be had in cambridge city centre up to 11.45pm (2am on a weekend) and a bus would get her home in 25 minutes.

 

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